Reading group on the writings of 毛澤東 Mao Tse Tung

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Friday, June 02, 2006

Reading Mao

Dear comrades, both those signed up as authors of this blog and fellow travelers on other blogs,

Our reading group's been slow lately. I'd like to get the ball rolling again. I don't know Mao's writing well enough to really defend this, but my sense is that it divides roughly into three parts:

- organizational matters (say, the shape of the party)
- political analysis (say, the composition of the peasantry)
- philosophical work (say, work on dialectics)

I'm interested in all three, primarily the first, and I am of course happy to have this typology corrected or complicated. I'm also interested in the history of Mao(ism). I've been reading a book on Maoism and Trotskyism in the US and France, mainly because I was keen to know more about the French Maoists of the 60s and 70s.

Who is still interested in this project? What are others interested in reading? I would also be happy to expand the circle of who is in on this conversation, via adding people to this blog and/or by extending the conversation to other blogs, as long as we can keep the discussion comradely across our differences.

Please respond as to your interest and feel free to suggest a list of pieces we could read. I'd like to use the above typology (or any other) to generate a list of readings, so when we finish one we don't have to have a lag as to what to read next. (A lag because people need a break is fine as it's deliberate, an accidental lag is less acceptable.)

Best wishes,
Nate

23 Comments:

  • At 6:29 PM, Blogger celticfire said…

    I vote we read something regarding Tibet, though the actually text might be small, the discussion following might be really good.

     
  • At 5:56 PM, Blogger Nate said…

    I'd be down for that, if there's anything that Mao wrote on the subject. I'd also like to read On Contradiction. I don't know enough of the rest of Mao's writings to even know where to start. I need to take another look at the archive at marxists.org and see what I can see.

     
  • At 5:23 AM, Blogger Zero said…

    If I were added to the blog, I'd appreciate it!

    As for Tibet, there is a good book (from the bourgeois press) called the Snow Lion and the Dragon... It is fairly short but quite good.

     
  • At 3:48 PM, Blogger Klement said…

    I read that book on Maoism and Torskyism. It's a good backgrounder on the New Communist Movement - admittedly, I only skimmed the Trot part.

    I have one question. Why just Mao? I mean, Mao's writings are great. But my first question is - What is the objective of the study? Is it to obtain a comprehensive communist education? In that case, expanding to (at a minimum) the five "classics" is a good idea. There are so many other works that succintly express the lessons of the revolutionary movement. For instance, I think Zhang Chunqiao reading on "Exercise All-Around Dictatorship Over the Bourgeoisie" is a good one. If one is alternately trying to get specific insight into Mao, than is another story, but even then, supplemental readings by other sources would be helpful - i.e., Party documents, etc.

     
  • At 8:36 PM, Blogger Zero said…

    That's true... I would in particular like to read some of the stuff from "polemic on the general line". I think that would be most helpful!

     
  • At 8:33 AM, Blogger Nate said…

    The reasons for reading just Mao are several. The group that started the blog have a cluster of interests that don't fully overlap. One point of overlap, in relation to several interests we share, was Mao. Among those interests - French Maoism in the late 60s and the 70s, the Maoist background of some contemporary French thinkers, questions of thirdwordlism and imperialism, and an interest in getting to know more of the big names of the Marxist tradition that we - well, me anyway - weren't as familiar with.

    I suspect that at least some of us are much more anarchist than others (I'm one of that lot, being a sort of anarchosyndicalist). It's been really rewarding trying to figure out what use I would make of work that I disagree with, as well as finding more in figures, like Mao, that I had at one point written off as authoritarians and thus not worth getting to know. The same goes for finding more in common with comrades I wouldn't have thought I'd have as much in common with due to differences in our general political outlooks.

    I for one am open to reading other materials as time permits - Celtic Fire's just done a post on Kollontai at his blog, she's someone I've been meaning to read, and someone suggested in a comment at his that it might be fruitful to read Pannekoek. I'm all for all that.

    On the other hand, I'm an advocate of keeping this blog dedicated specifically to reading Mao, in hopes of retaining the character of casting as wide an ideological net as possible. Reading other stuff could be done by setting up other group blogs or by exchanging posts and trackbacks across blogs.

    Oh yeah - Comrade Zero, an email address is required to invite you. If you post a comment at my other blog (whatinthehell.blogsome.com) you can get me your email address without making it public.

     
  • At 9:53 AM, Blogger Zero said…

    Thank you very much Nate!

     
  • At 3:53 PM, Blogger Zero said…

    Anybody thought of reading Mao's "Talks at the Yenan Forum on Literature and Art".

    Another option that might be fruitful would be a bit more of a long term project. Which would be going through the little red book ("Quotations from Chairman Mao Tsetung") chapter by chapter. Maybe spend a week or so on each chapter. Because the quotes are short, to the point, and carefully selected to function as a handbook for Maoists during the Cultural Revolution, that may be good way to get the ball rolling again, and who knows where that could go?

     
  • At 11:10 AM, Blogger Nate said…

    Your welcome Comrade. I'm up for either or both (I think they're compatible). I'd also like to read "Oppose Book Worship" and "On Contradiction" eventually.

    We could also try a dual format - agreed on in-common readings and additional posts on Mao readings folk are doing on their own. I'm open to whatever.

     
  • At 11:57 AM, Blogger Zero said…

    I'm a late-comer to the reading group. Since I only recently joined, I don't want to come accross as putting more forward than is proper. I am not trying to change the course of the group.

    But I think it is a good idea, at least for a while, to just suggest that any member of the reading group post articles on the Mao they are reading, and that discussion can evolve in the comments. So, say hypothetically, you want to read "On Contradiction" and I want to read "Yenan Forum". We both post our thoughts seperately, and seperate discussions evolve in the comments.

    Looking over old posts, there was an original emphasis on academic Maoism (Badiou, Althusser, etc.) I have a knowledge of these thinkers and we can talk about them too. I tend to be more interested in organizational/practical issues, though. So I probably would not offer up much for those discussions (apart from my numerous practical concerns).

    Badiou, for example, emphasizes the text from the early 20's: "How Can Red Political Power Exist in China?" This text is important for his development of Organisation Politique practice. If people wanted to go into the latter through the former, I would be happy to discuss that.

    Again, I like your idea of dual format.

    I propose we do just that dual format: A general program for a while of going through the Little Red Book, chapter by chapter. Discussion mostly in comments.
    Additional articles on individual readings of interest whenever they come up.

    This way there is always activity here, plus variety for our various interests.

    What says the group about this proposal?

     
  • At 10:17 PM, Blogger Nate said…

    I'm into what you propose. One strength will be that folks can chase up references to material that they like posts on. I'm also into (later) reading material relevant to Badiou's organizational activities. I'm also keen to hear your and others' thoughts on how this stuff relates to organizational problems. My own practical concerns at this point center around the workplace, so I'm not always sure how to immediately apply this stuff when I read it.

    You and Celtic Fire are Maoists and I'm not, you know the millieu and Maoist blogs better than I do - what do you two think about trying to eventually create some discussion across Maoist blogs on reading Mao?

    Comrade Zero, what do you say we give a week to let the proposals hang in the air and then if nothing big changes whoever's interested can start the red book at a moderate pace?

     
  • At 3:57 AM, Blogger Zero said…

    sounds good!

    As for moving the discussion accross the Maoist blogs, I think it is possible, more on some blogs than others.

     
  • At 9:44 AM, Blogger celticfire said…

    oookay I am lost, are reading the red book or Mao's "Talks at the Yenan Forum on Literature and Art"?

    Either one is important..just confused O.o

    So much to read :)

     
  • At 10:21 AM, Blogger Zero said…

    Celt,

    the discussion is about changing the format.

    We'll be doing two things at once:

    1.) Ongoing discussion of little red book - this will consist of posts chapter by chapter at an easy pace with discussion in the comments.

    2.) supplementary discussion of pieces of interest - these will be seperate from the LRB discussion, but maybe inspired by it and will be people posting on texts they have interest in as they come up. I guess Yenan talks and On Contradiction are on the table for discussion, but I think it would be fine if we didn't all approve these texts before hand. Each post could become an evolving thread on the text.

    On a side note, I think it would be good to change the template for the group's blog so that there would be a previous posts section and archive on the side somewhere. Not a difficult task.

     
  • At 12:01 AM, Blogger Nate said…

    hey comrades,

    Cde Zero, that's a good idea about
    adding that stuff to the blog template. I don't know how, though. Can you inform me? Do I need yr email address again to do so? It'd also be cool if there was one of those "recent comments" things too.

    Also, I'd be happy to start w/ the Yenan piece before doing the Red Book, if you like. (I assume that's shorter, yeah?)

    cheers,
    Nate

     
  • At 9:44 AM, Blogger Zero said…

    Nate,

    You should be able to go into the blogger dashboard where you change settings on you blogs, etc. Select the reading group blog, click the template tab, and at the top you can click "pick new". There you can look at samples of all of the pre-made templates and select one that has the features you want. I didn't see one that had a "previous comments" feature, but the one called "thisaway" looked nice and had the other features we need.

    That should do it.

     
  • At 1:48 PM, Blogger Nate said…

    Comrades,
    I apologize for the delay. My non-electronic life got a bit busy. I'm trying right now to make the change Cde Zero suggested. We'll see momentarily if it works.
    I'd like to get started on one of our readings together, and if folk want to post individual stuff as well, great. Where shall we (those of us still interested) start?
    Yours,
    Nate

     
  • At 1:53 PM, Blogger Nate said…

    Okay. It seems to have worked. Easier than I'd thought (tech stuff intimidates me). Does anyone have code that could be inserted into the template for a most recent comments function?

    That aside, I would like to suggest we read the Yenan forum piece, then start, say in a week or two, reading the Red Book as suggested before. (We can also interrupt or put on hold the Red Book reading periodically to read other stuff together, or if one person posts something compelling on a Mao piece that might spur others to read the same piece and post or comment.)

    Thoughts?

     
  • At 8:40 AM, Blogger celticfire said…

    Yenan forum piece sounds good. I'm still in!

     
  • At 2:00 PM, Blogger Zero said…

    Cool.

     
  • At 7:40 PM, Blogger Nate said…

    Wicked. For anyone who doesn't have it, the piece is online here:

    http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-3/mswv3_08.htm

    I'll read this first and also plan to start reading the Little Red Book real soon.

    Tech question: does anyone have code I can add to the blog template to put in one of those "recent comments" areas in the sidebar?

     
  • At 11:26 PM, Blogger Zero said…

    I tried it on my blog but the code I got was no good.

    The burningman blog has a good setup with that though. Maybe somebody should ask him.

     
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